In this episode of Shaping The Future, I am speaking with Adrian Tait, co-founder of the Climate Psychology Alliance about his contribution to the new Deep Adaptation book.
This newly published volume edited by and contributed to by Jem Bendell and Rupert Read includes an updated version of the original Deep Adaptation paper as well input from a total of 20 contributors across a range of fields that deal with issues related to Deep Adaptation and the subject of collapse.
Deep Adaptation, with its subheader of ‘Navigating The Realities of Climate Chaos’ is divided into 3 parts: The Predicament, Shifts In Being and Shifts In Doing.
Adrian’s contribution gives a broad overview of the evolving field of climate psychology, including the symptoms of distress and denial assisting us to recognise and empathise when we detect them in peers and/or colleagues.
Deep Adaptation covers a range of subjects including the future of activism, leadership, the study of collapse itself and related ideas. It is itself a starting point to explore themes around both feeling, assimilating and responding to systemic as well as ecological collapse.
This subject of this book contrasts and compliments another book that will be published later this year by Alice Hill. Alice has previously served as special assistant to President Barack Obama and senior director for resilience policy on the National Security Council staff and will be discussing her new book here in late August just ahead of publication.
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As we prepare for COP26 in Glasgow, it is worth considering that the climate threats anticipated 30 years ago at the Rio Earth Summit are now among us creating suffering and loss on a daily basis, while not one policy fit for purpose has been implemented to prevent them.
Someone might have warned George Bush Senior when he stated that the American way of life is not up for negotiation, that nature cares not for political grandiosity.
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Great point around separating actual trauma from existential dread.
I wonder what the children “being heard” by their parents will feel when the grown ups continues without any adjustment after these important talks. For me personally the hardest part of doing radical adjusments to my consumption is that I have to do it alone. With constant pressure from parents and friends that wants me to partake in society as a productive consumer. Cognitive dissonance and burnout is encroaching as the summer fades, and electricity in the batteries in my mostly stationary car drains towards empty.
The problems of Narcissism and “Malignant Normality” are well noted. Such an important conversation, especially the challenge of human agency in our emergency climate crisis. Will follow-up with your important work. Thank you!
All of this hinges on the notion that people actually can understand the complexity of what is happening. And people have to realize that some people are not capable of doing that.
I know some people that think that it is the sun that is causing climate change and that we have to use oil to survive. CO2 is going to make the world greener.
I hear that both of you are “smart”, but have you tried to talk to average people? The delusion and paranoia in people is astonishing. In the end eco-fascism or some form of it will be implemented. Rant rant rant … I hope for hope ❤️
Maybe if enough people understand that if we do not stop climate change we will all die, they will be willing to what needs to be done.
Hi Anni, thanks for the feedback. I do record these interviews on the premise that the listener is engaged with climate issues already. The objective is to explore the complexity of all the issues without necessarily coming to absolute right and wrong conclusions. There are many other places where climate is discussed for people who are new to the subject or who just want some basic principals. With regard to “average people”, I would say many of my friends and acquaintances throughout life fit into this category when discussing climate change impacts. The recent catastrophe’s around the world have put new focus on the climate issue but many people probably expect COP26 to fix this and maybe very distressed when they realise that it wont.
To the last point, I doubt that making people understand will save the climate we depend on. It will take more than that now. How much more will it take and how much pain can we endure? The reason I keep this series going is that I think that underneath every simple assertion is a layer of complexity. Perhaps a question is whether there are short-cuts embedded within that which we can identify?
Thanks again for your valued feedback. Yrs N
Thank you for this interview!
I don’t know how (and will) we get out of this predicament. However, I do know that we have absolutely no chance without trying!
Really interesting interview. Thank,you
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